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Author Topic: Thinner Ice  (Read 193 times)

Offline ravinerat

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Thinner Ice
« on: December 19, 2011, 02:57:48 PM »
I run into these all the time now. Some of them are consuming a large area. I tend to stay away from peoples docks and boat houses anyway.
 
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LAKE OF BAYS - Dock bubblers on area lakes are posing a safety threat to snowmobilers, Lake of Bays’ finance and corporate services committee heard last week.
Dock bubblers are installed to prevent damage from ice forming around docks over the winter. Usually a compressor feeds air into a length of tube under or around the dock, circulating the water and preventing ice from forming.
Bob Island, a member of the Algonquin Snowmobile Club and the publisher and editor of Snowmobile! Central Ontario, told councillors he is not against bubblers but believes people need to be educated about the risks and responsibilities.
“Ninety per cent of people who use them, use them way too much … they take up too much ice surface,” he said. Over the last five years, he added, the number of bubblers has increased, to the point that it’s a dangerous situation.
He said bubblers are often marked with a red light, which can confuse snowmobilers. In areas of low visibility, he said riders follow each other’s tail lights and could easily drive in the direction of the red light and end up in the unfrozen water around the dock.
Island said a yellow light indicating caution would be a better choice than red.
He suggested lawsuits may occur, involving the owner of the bubbler, the installer, the manufacturer and even the township, if someone is hurt.
He added that if cottage owners check their insurance, they will find they are not covered if an accident occurs.
“The OPP are very aware of the problem,” he said. “It’s like a 400 series highway out there with bubblers on both sides.”
Coun. Nancy Tapley said the dangers of open water from bubblers across the lakes are a huge issue.
“(People) complain to me,” she said. “They can’t get out to ice fish, they can’t go out on their snowmobile … it’s an enormous problem — death waiting to happen.”
Coun. Ruth Ross questioned whether the Ministry of Natural Resources has any authority over the use of bubblers. Island said he called the ministry and was informed that it does not.
Coun. Shane Baker asked if the Department of Fisheries and Oceans has any jurisdiction.
“They’ve washed their hands as well,” said Island.
Council members stated that the municipality is powerless to do anything once something is in the water.
Coun. Ginny Burgess suggested that cottage associations be encouraged to make people aware of the potential dangers and liabilities associated with bubblers.
Mayor Bob Young told this newspaper that he is unable to venture onto the ice at his own property because his neighbour runs a bubbler.
He said last year, in an unrelated matter, a young girl nearly went through the ice when she hit a patch that had been thinned by the current from a bubbler.
“I have some sympathy for your hot-dogging snowmobilers, but not much,” he said
The waste of hydro and energy are a major concern, added Young.
“It only needs to operate four to six hours until the water level is down,” he said of the devices.
Young said that while he believes the municipality has no authority to stop bubblers, he encourages public education on the issue.
“When people realize there’s a liability to themselves and others they’ll do the right thing,” he said
 

Offline baldeagle

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Re: Thinner Ice
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 02:29:00 AM »
great report .....something we should all be aware of ....thanks for posting

Online Ice Fishing Ham

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Re: Thinner Ice
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 04:57:35 AM »
  Interesting  Post RR. I've seen these bubbler systems around some boats. As I  understand they bring the warm water up from the bottom to the  surface keeping it from freezing.   

 
These  systems are there to protect private property, in doing so creating  an unnatural hazard. Operators of these systems should be held  accountable for any incidents that the create.  

 
I  wonder how they effect aquatic life. You can't remove a log from the  water front but you can churn up the water all winter to protect your  property.  

 
 I  love the quote from Mayor Young “I have some sympathy  for your hot-dogging snowmobilers, but not much,” . Who the hell  does he think he is saying something like that. He's saying all  sledders are hot doggers, thats like saying all politicians are  liars, bad example but you get my drift. When I was snowmobiling we  would stay in Baysville, we dropped lots of money in that area. Maybe  they should put his quote and phone number in the snowmobiling  magazines and web sites.   

 
He also mentions about how a young girl  nearly went through the ice when she hit a patch that had been  thinned by the current from a bubbler. Next he says he encourages  public education on the issue.
“When people realize there’s a  liability to themselves and others they’ll do the right thing,”   

 
What I read into this is, until  something drastic happens nothing will get done.   

 
Well I've vented enough, I know If I  went through the ice because of these system I'd be looking for  compensation.   

 
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Offline ravinerat

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Re: Thinner Ice
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 06:53:01 AM »
This article is from the snowmobile club approaching the issue. If it was the local womens skating club his comments sure would have been different. It is an issue that affects anyone who uses the ice.
 
 
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Offline dokdok

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Re: Thinner Ice
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 08:52:56 AM »
Good read ... thx for the heads up RR

Offline Mike S

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Re: Thinner Ice
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2011, 08:54:24 AM »
Interesting read and I understand how they work. They 'prevent' ice from forming in the area.
But for neighboring ice that has formed, can it not shift or break free and still flow into the boat/dock/whatever and still cause damage?
Growing up on Hay Bay as a kid, it would be the 'ice-out' in the spring that would cause all the damage.
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